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 Post subject: Re: Where do we stand.
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:41 pm 
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Why was "invading" Iraq wrong? Maybe the ignorance of the opinion needs an adjustment or mod.

As in our game...which is very similar to how "commander's in chief" must think, the control pts. are the objectives.
The control pts. in the middleeast appear just like on a mini-map.
The time limit of the game is ? but the current score is ?
You decide if the current score in the game justifies the effort.
This effort in Iraq is not just about this single battle for the Iraq control pt.
You must send WAVE after WAVE of troops to capture this pt.
How many pts. are there???? New ones appear, some disappear, maybe even unreachable, maybe even uncappable.

As in our game...which is very similar to how "commander's in chief" must think, the control pts. are the objectives.
The control pts. in the middleeast appear just like on a mini-map.
The time limit of the game is ? but the current score is ?
You decide if the current score in the game justifies the effort.
This effort in Iraq is not just about this single battle for the Iraq control pt.
You must send WAVE after WAVE of troops to capture this pt.
How many pts. are there???? New ones appear, some disappear, maybe even unreachable, maybe even uncappable.


Read some of the below links with an open mind to history...not propaganda or agenda driven.

There is a battlefield much larger than you can conceive or that you can comprehend.



Here's info regarding how the middleeast was 1922 Europes fault...not America.


See the complexity of the middleeast:


Here's some more anti-ignorance info:


Read this to see how history repeats itself:

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:35 pm 
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I understand your points zoomer, but we must remember we aren't gaining control points we are gaining control of people's countries. We saw them suffering under Saddam, and felt that we needed to offer a helping hand. But now people are living under worst conditions then Saddam, we haven't found "WMD" that were supposed to be present, and American troops are constantly under attack from people who don't like america (hmmm.. we invaded their country). Lets face it the regular fighting the military was used to just isn't working enough. We send thousands in, and only kill or capture a few hundred. The military has hit another turning point. Just as a hundred or so years ago, they learned marching shoulder to shoulder toward the newly invented machine gun didn't work out so well, they will have to learn sending thousands of troops in and sending them out on patrols where the enemy could be the next house down the road or the next bomb could be the broken down car in the middle of the street does not work. I know there is a bigger picture, but you also must remember the smaller one. These people fight for what they believe is right, which is a much stronger reason then because you were ordered there. I am against how this war is fought. This "war" needs to be redefined. It is not "the war in Iraq" or afganistan. It is the search for the people who hurt us and our friends. And let us not forget, the rich little thing underneath them called oil.


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Imagine what that map would look like now hmmmmmm.

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it would look like a big red circle in some countrys :P

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k, lemme try to explain better, America is in no way perfect, as far as Governmental decisions. as a people, most all of us just want a better life for our children than the life we had before them. until Iraq, America never invaded a soveriegn nation that did not first provoke us. what we did in Japan, Glub, saved more lives than it took, in relation to Nuclear weapons. hell even after they surrendered, it took months to convince the Japanese troops to lay down their weapons. its a fact that up until that point in history, deaths caused from War had been rising, decade after decade, but after, they fell, and have since leveled off, google it. Vietnam? (The French were there first dont forget), America and the Soviet Union, (USSR), were fighting for "buffers", a way to hold back each other; thing was, we didn't actually want to "annex" anyone, just keep the "red menace" at bay, still it was a big snafu, and wrong. Afghanistan, we told them to give up those that hurt us, and not only us, but other people from other countries, the invasion of Afghanistan was right. now, the main problem is how to get enough people from all of the countries involved, especially those in the Middle East, to come together and stop the killing? most of you that read this and have opinions, have been through a good educational system. most of those in the middle east have not, only the rich who could afford it? no, one day, we will have to make a choice, a choice of what is really right or wrong, not who is too blame. to blame is easy, to try and stop the fuckin idiotic murder of innocent people, that takes some brains, brawn only got to where it was because the "brains" made killing easier, right? no, we all long for peace, peace and freedom. you never know, maybe we arent the only ones in this vast universe? maybe one day we will ALL need each other. in the mean time, like i said, we are all on the same boat. aint none of us gettin off, so we gotta find a way to get along.......


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I would first like let everyone know this an american writing, who isn't all too happy with the way the country is run.

My plain and simple statement is: The United States, my country, should not go into other countries.

We have enough problems at home. Thousands of people are on the streets, murder, our prisons are overflowing, our economy is dying and our education system is horrible (little side note- the government payed 195000 dollars to put a guy thru west point and straight into the NFL, yet it doesn't pay straight A students' outrageous college tuition). With all these problems, why are we messing with other countries? Aren't we messed up enough. And anti-american is not "ignorant". They have every right to do that. You say the US has never invaded a sovereign nation, and yet you urself mention vietnam. Don't forget Somalia, the central american "policing" effort, and hundred others. America started stretching its hand out when it was well off. Well, its time to take that hand back, before we lose it. Its time we go back to the old isolationism idea. I'm not saying totally cutting us off from the world, but if we have a problem with someone, which are usually now small groups and not countries, We go in, get it done and get out. After all, what are all those precision guided weapons, sattelites, and billion dollar budget (corteousy of china) supposed to be used for?


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I didn't mean my opinions were "more important" i was just saying that as an american, i am not ignorant of how many wrongs my government has committed against the world.

And as a quick add on hardrock, as long as there are two people on earth there will always be a fight. People will always feel they are right, and will gladly take arms against someone who says differently. Either side can justify the war because they know they are right. The japanese did not feel they were some evil empire trying to control the world. The Koreans felt they needed to unify korea. We may think we are great, but people can easil see us as evil. And i don't feel i need to go appealling to anybody's feelings, which should not be defined by sports. I'm from middle of no where, Pennsylvania- and i pride myself in not fitting the "hick" stereotype you might think. And as for your "connect idea" the more people who connect, the more there will be to fight. Humans will never agree on almost anything.

Face it, america is no longer the dream country for everyone.


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